Curse

EmperorTippy · Aug 30, 2005, 10:03 PM // 22:03

To be perfectly honest no warrior who is wearing anything except Knights Boots, Gladiators Chest Piece, Gladiators Pants, either Gladiators or Stonefist Gauntlets and the right head piece for their build will get into any serious PvP with me.

LifeInfusion · Aug 30, 2005, 10:57 PM // 22:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by EmperorTippy

To be perfectly honest no warrior who is wearing anything except Knights Boots, Gladiators Chest Piece, Gladiators Pants, either Gladiators or Stonefist Gauntlets and the right head piece for their build will get into any serious PvP with me.

That's exactly the problem. We need to have the "optimal" set, but everyone forgets about the other ones. How about in PVE, where appearance actually makes a difference because stats don't matter as much?

Then again, that's what PvP characters are for: to look like pieces of armor scrapped together just to win.

zehly · Aug 30, 2005, 11:30 PM // 23:30

So you are saying that we need tanks with better armor? Like, in PvP, when I'm a lowly Ele with a sword, I have to wait longer for the bastard to die? Warriors already get more armor than Mesmers... and mesmers are cooler... and deserve better armor and stuff. So I don't agree with this petition for other reasons that I can't explain because I'm under the influence.

LifeInfusion · Aug 31, 2005, 12:03 AM // 00:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by zehly

So you are saying that we need tanks with better armor? Like, in PvP, when I'm a lowly Ele with a sword, I have to wait longer for the bastard to die? Warriors already get more armor than Mesmers... and mesmers are cooler... and deserve better armor and stuff. So I don't agree with this petition for other reasons that I can't explain because I'm under the influence.

Uh what do you mean?

Knight's is inferior to gladiator's in every way, which is why I made this thread. ArenaNet says it is local absorption, but testing suggests otherwise. And even if it IS local, the -2 damage isn't as good as extra energy and 10 extra armor against physical.

This is comparing warrior armors with warrior armors, not warrior armor to mesmers.

If we were comparing classes, you could argue mesmers need better armor.

Seissor · Aug 31, 2005, 09:10 AM // 09:10

I think you'll find every armor type has its downfalls and its advantages. My warrior/mo with knights armor in pvp....pffft he goes down easy. But in PvE the man's a sponge, he takes hit after hit after hit. if im on a team with warrirors in platemail, and glad, i find the glad goes down easy, the platemail dude keeps hammering away with me, however this is the opposite in pvp (due to most pvpers being ele wh0res etc)

whats the best armor? NO SUCH thing, each armor class has its own uses, its like saying whats better sword, hammer, axe....better for what? each are used for different things, swords is to bleed, axe is to hurt, hammer is for knockdown and whatever.

Man With No Name · Aug 31, 2005, 12:16 PM // 12:16

A full set of Knights/Ascalon is a bit of a silly armor choice to pick. There's no need to make Knights have a Local / Regional damage reduction -- it already does that -- it's a Global Reduction =)

And if they made the benefit stack from each piece -- it would be overpowering ( -10 dmg from any attack anyone..?? ). What other way of boosting it is there..?? If you boost the AL, you make the Platemail redundant...

The Gladiators armor is the logical choice and it's the easiest to craft -- requiring only Cloth and Tanned Hyde ( always stock and cheap prices at the traders ) -- it's the same materials for the 15k too

Now why would they make it the easiest to craft..??

In the case of PvE characters, whom are now playing PvP -- I'd say it's because A-Net hopes that the smart people who play Warrior realise and use the best warrior armor without having to grind hard for special materials -- like Ecto or Deldrimor

You can't go wrong with:

- Knights Boots/Ascalon Boots
- Gladiators Chest
- Gladiators Legs
- Gladiators Gloves / Stonefist Gloves
- Weapon Helm

Hell, get the 15k set if you like ( I did

) -- it looks much better than the 1.5k and will cost only 30-45k -- if you follow that list...

IMO any Warrior playing PvP ( either as a PvE character or PvP character ) without that set-up is immediately flawed from the offset -- and should be laughed at >)

LifeInfusion · Aug 31, 2005, 12:19 PM // 12:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seissor

I think you'll find every armor type has its downfalls and its advantages. My warrior/mo with knights armor in pvp....pffft he goes down easy. But in PvE the man's a sponge, he takes hit after hit after hit. if im on a team with warrirors in platemail, and glad, i find the glad goes down easy, the platemail dude keeps hammering away with me, however this is the opposite in pvp (due to most pvpers being ele wh0res etc)

whats the best armor? NO SUCH thing, each armor class has its own uses, its like saying whats better sword, hammer, axe....better for what? each are used for different things, swords is to bleed, axe is to hurt, hammer is for knockdown and whatever.

You are pretty bold to say that -2 reduction in damage is better than 10AL and energy. Like I said, knight's reduction is a blanket reduction, you only need one piece. You'd be better off with plate/gladiator for the pieces besides knight's boots. Please reread the first post before posting stuff that you yourself have not tested.

Fighting against any mob where the 5-10AL form Plate/Gladiator's is more than 2 damage, means knight's is useless even if it were LOCAL reduction. So unless you are out hunting Charr (and it is LOCAL absorption) with your level 10 buddies, there is no way in hell knight's is better statistically. Stop trying to kid yourself.

Using knight's in PVP is just suicidal at best. You have no additional AL vs. physical OR elemental. Observation does not mean anything. The player can just be crappy. That's like saying you never see people in Fissure of Woe armor die.

As for the weapons, I refer you to this thread: http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=53252

Seissor · Aug 31, 2005, 02:01 PM // 14:01

Someone needs a hug =^ . ^=

Red Sonya · Aug 31, 2005, 02:34 PM // 14:34

Heck even the collectors ringmail is better than a full set of Knights. Also I prefer Gladiator Boots over Ascalons/Knights so my gauntlets are Ascalon/Knights.

Same thing 26 energy plus one piece of dmg reduction. And yes I laugh at those in full plate or full knights bwahahahahaha. hehe

LifeInfusion · Aug 31, 2005, 08:23 PM // 20:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Sonya

Heck even the collectors ringmail is better than a full set of Knights. Also I prefer Gladiator Boots over Ascalons/Knights so my gauntlets are Ascalon/Knights.

Same thing 26 energy plus one piece of dmg reduction. And yes I laugh at those in full plate or full knights bwahahahahaha. hehe

Only the one from desert/southern shiverpeaks. Lol

Judas Paladin · Aug 31, 2005, 08:36 PM // 20:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by LifeInfusion

At this point, everyone knows that you only need one piece of knight's for the absorption.

so just wear one piece

you could make exactly the same argument for ascalon armor

i hardly see anyone wearing a full suit these days for the above reason you

stated with the exception of a full fissure set (hehe).

Carinae · Aug 31, 2005, 09:41 PM // 21:41

Um, I am sure I read that the Knight's armor was fixed, so the -2 mod was NOT universal anymore. End of July fix.

All the tests I have seen on this subject were done BEFORE this date. So someone needs to retest this.

EmperorTippy · Aug 31, 2005, 10:03 PM // 22:03

Please post were you read this as I have tested after the July 22 update and have still had -2 damage reduction universal.

Age · Aug 31, 2005, 10:07 PM // 22:07

They have done this yet fixed the Knights armor AL and I wouldn't mind seeinng it the same as platemail +20 instaed of +10 as it is now as I have it.Then there is going to be some new armor coming out for Sorrows Furnace probably take a look.It si probably for ascened players only.(whine)

http://www.guildwars.com/gameinfo/pr...s/default.html

Carinae · Aug 31, 2005, 10:11 PM // 22:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by EmperorTippy

Please post were you read this as I have tested after the July 22 update and have still had -2 damage reduction universal.

I read it here, in one of the big threads on this subject. i can't find the thread now. No one was saying the effect was definitively fixed, but the July 22 update seemed to be talking about it...

If you've tested after July 22 and the effect still stands, then thats good enough for me.

Age · Aug 31, 2005, 10:19 PM // 22:19

Here all the updates from GW.com and it was a closed equipment update.

http://www.guildwars.com/news/gameupdates.html

EmperorTippy · Aug 31, 2005, 10:33 PM // 22:33

^^
I know that but I was under the impression that the July 22 fix jsut stopped you from being able to wear Droks armor in to low level arenas (its what I heard but Ive never tried to test this). I kinda wish that the explanation did give a little more info as "closed equipment exploit" doesn't tell you what was closed or any real info.

Judas Paladin · Aug 31, 2005, 10:35 PM // 22:35

if it was that update why do they make it so subtle and call it a closed equipment update. If they wish to fix such a largely used bug with something subtle like that it kind of ticks me off on how much they leave us in the dark..not like they don't do it already.

but i'm pretty sure the global reduc still stands as it isnt hard to tell how much of a difference in dmg i'm taking when i switch my helms.

Age · Aug 31, 2005, 10:42 PM // 22:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carinae Dragonblood

I read it here, in one of the big threads on this subject. i can't find the thread now. No one was saying the effect was definitively fixed, but the July 22 update seemed to be talking about it...

If you've tested after July 22 and the effect still stands, then thats good enough for me.

here it is.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...0&page=1&pp=25

EmperorTippy · Aug 31, 2005, 10:50 PM // 22:50

^^
Look at the date that Ensign posted that thread (04-09-2005). Its during beta and it has been changed as an Absorbtion rune and a piece of Knights armor stack but 2 Pieces of Knights armor or 2 Absorbtion Runes dont stack.